Tir Na Og

Morning all,

Well here is my first attempt with the ArmyBuilder 3.1c app. What do you all think about the list?

HQ: Autarch (1#, 101 Pts)
   1 Autarch @ 101 Pts
      Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Fleet; Independent Character; Master Strategist; Forceshield (FShld); Mandiblaster (Mb); S-Hawk Wings (SHW); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Lasblaster (Lb); Haywire Grenades (HayG); Plasma Grenades (PG)

Elite: Wraithguard (7#, 379 Pts)
   5 Wraithguard @ 379 Pts
      Add Wave Serpent; Fearless; WraithSight; Wraithcannon (WC) (x5)
      1 Wave Serpent @ [155] Pts
         Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); TL Bright Lances (TL-BL)
      1 Spiritseer (Warlock) @ [49] Pts
         Fleet; Spiritseer Upgrade;  Enhance ; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Singing Spear (SSpr)

Elite: Wraithguard (7#, 359 Pts)
   5 Wraithguard @ 359 Pts
      Add Wave Serpent; Fearless; WraithSight; Wraithcannon (WC) (x5)
      1 Wave Serpent @ [135] Pts
         Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); TL Scatter Laser(TL-SctL)
      1 Spiritseer (Warlock) @ [49] Pts
         Fleet; Spiritseer Upgrade;  Enhance ; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Singing Spear (SSpr)

Fast Attack: Swooping Hawks (6#, 168 Pts)
   5 Swooping Hawks @ 168 Pts
      Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Fleet; S-Hawk Wings (SHW); Lasblaster (Lb); Haywire Grenades (HayG); Plasma Grenades (PG); S-Hawk Grenade Pack (SHGP)
      1 Swooping Hawk Exarch @ [63] Pts
         Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Fleet;  Sky Leap  (SL); S-Hawk Wings (SHW); Sunrifle; Haywire Grenades (HayG); Plasma Grenades (PG); S-Hawk Grenade Pack (SHGP)

Fast Attack: Swooping Hawks (6#, 168 Pts)
   5 Swooping Hawks @ 168 Pts
      Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Fleet; S-Hawk Wings (SHW); Lasblaster (Lb); Haywire Grenades (HayG); Plasma Grenades (PG); S-Hawk Grenade Pack (SHGP)
      1 Swooping Hawk Exarch @ [63] Pts
         Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Fleet;  Sky Leap  (SL); S-Hawk Wings (SHW); Sunrifle; Haywire Grenades (HayG); Plasma Grenades (PG); S-Hawk Grenade Pack (SHGP)

Heavy Support: Dark Reapers (6#, 392 Pts)
   4 Dark Reapers @ 392 Pts
      Add Wave Serpent
      1 Dark Reaper Exarch @ [97] Pts
          Crack Shot  (CS);  Fast Shot  (FS); Tempest Launcher (TL)
      1 Wave Serpent @ [155] Pts
         Energy Field (Wave Serpent); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); TL Bright Lances (TL-BL)

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (5#, 120 Pts)
   5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
      Fleet; Infiltrate; Pathfinders; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (5#, 120 Pts)
   5 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 120 Pts
      Fleet; Infiltrate; Pathfinders; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x5); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

Heavy Support: War Walker Squadron (2#, 190 Pts)
   1 War Walker Squadron @ 190 Pts
      Scouts; Spirit Stone (V:SpStn)
      1 War Walker @ [95] Pts
         Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Bright Lance (BL); Bright Lance (BL)
      1 War Walker @ [95] Pts
         Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Bright Lance (BL); Bright Lance (BL)

Total Roster Cost: 1997

I have one thing to say: AV14. 

You have one Brighlance yet a bunch of Hulls that can carry them.  Are you hoping to only face my skimmers and marines with this army?  Everyone else uses tanks!  That being said, you would be a good match for my usual assault configuration since you are totally anti MEQ here.

To take "all-comers" I'd add BLs or Starcannons to everything, getting points from dropping the waveserpent on the Dark Reapers.
War Walkers are made of tinfoil and glue, but some folks love them for their ability to alpha strike... 

Footnote: MEQ (Marine EQuivalent) = T4 infantry with 3+ saves.  See also Necrons and Chaos

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Beating up on Eldar since 1995.

[In response to you editing the list after my previous comments] 

You kept the Wave Serpent for your Heavy Weapons squad but dumped the Wraithlord.  I suppose this is where our preferences diverge since I think the WL is the best unit Eldar have after Uberfalcons.

[edit: I take it back.  you need the extra Wavesepent to give your opponent something to shoot at, I guess.  Target saturation and all that.  I still hate warwalkers though, but look forward to slaughtering them.]

 If you insist on two Warwalkers then at least make them seperate squadrons.  You have the extra heavy slot now and it'll mean they take two seperate units to kill them, rather than dying from spillover shots from a single squad.

 

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Beating up on Eldar since 1995.

In my opinion, Shining Spears are much better than swooping hawks.  Those grenade packs aren't going to do much to MEQ armies.  The Shining spears have S6 T4 I5 Save 3+.  They can move like 24" with turbo boost, then assault.  Their fast movement makes them hard to hit.  The laser lance is awesome.  You can fire within 6" (S6 AP4), and they are power weapons (S6).  With your ubber initiative you will mostly strike first.  Since the laser lance is a power weapon, you ignore armor saves.  You can seriously damage a squad before taking return attacks, especially with S6.  A squad of 4 Shining Spears with an Exarch would have ~ 11 attacks.  On the charge against marines, you will hit around 5-6 times doing 4-5 kills before the enemy gets a chance to attack back.

For the same reasons, Banshees are awesome ground Assault troops.  Initiative 10, ignore grenades and cover, and they all have power weapons.  The only drawback is the S3.  With Fleet, you don't really need a transport.  Have them support the WraithLord.  He's a close combat maniac.

I don't think I'd waste transport on Dark Reapers.  Either make them a stationary platform during placement, or get a mobile heavy weapons platform like Vipers/Falcons with Bright Lances.  Falcons with Bright Lance, Pulse Laser, and Holo Field seems pretty awesome.  They can also carry troops (6), so you can put your WraithGuard in them if you want to.

I don't know about rangers.  I'm thinking a 10 man guardian squad with a Warlock and heavy weapon platform might be more effective and surviveable.

I've never played Eldar, so I'm no expert.  Just my 2 cents after looking at the available troop choices in Army Builder.

PETE

 

 

My first attempt at a balanced Eldar army:

Name	#	Grp	WS	BS	S	T	Wo	I	A	Ld	Save	Cost
HQ: Autarch (1#, 83 Pts)
Autarch	1	HQ	6	6	3	3	3	6/10	3/4	10	3+/4(i)	83
	(p.29 & p.60 Eldar),; Fleet; Independent Character; Master Strategist; Banshee Mask (BM); Forceshield (FShld); Power Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Haywire Grenades (HayG); Plasma Grenades (PG)
Elite: Howling Banshees (8#, 145 Pts)
Howling Banshees	7	Elite	4	4	3	3	1	5/10	1/2	9	4+	145
	(p.31 & p.63 Eldar); Fleet; Banshee Mask (BM); Power Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp)
Howling Banshee Exarch	1	-	5	5	3	3	1	6/10	2/3	9	3+	[33]
	Fleet; War Shout (WS); Banshee Mask (BM); Power Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp)
EP War Shout	1	1st round of Assault phase the enemy unit must pass a morale test or be reduced to WS1. (p.31 Eldar)										[0]
Elite: Wraithguard (6#, 221 Pts)
Wraithguard	5	Elite	4/5	4	5	6	1	4/5	1	10	3+	221
	(p.46 & p.62 Eldar); Fearless; WraithSight; Wraithcannon (WC) (x5)
Spiritseer (Warlock)	1	-	4/5	4	3	3	1	4/5	1/2	8	-/4(i)	[46]
	(p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); Fleet; Spiritseer Upgrade; Enhance ; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)
Elite: Wraithguard (6#, 221 Pts)
Wraithguard	5	Elite	4/5	4	5	6	1	4/5	1	10	3+	221
	(p.46 & p.62 Eldar); Fearless; WraithSight; Wraithcannon (WC) (x5)
Spiritseer (Warlock)	1	-	4/5	4	3	3	1	4/5	1/2	8	-/4(i)	[46]
	(p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); Fleet; Spiritseer Upgrade; Enhance ; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)
Troops: Guardian Squad (11#, 135 Pts)
Guardian Squad	1	Grp: Troops										135
	(p.39 & p.64 Eldar); Fleet
G Defender Squad	10	-	3	3	3	3	1	4	1	8	5+	[105]
	Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x10); Add Weapon Platform
Weapon Platform	1	Grp: -										[25]
	Starcannon (StrCan)
Warlock	1	-	4	4	3	3	1	4	1/2	8	-/4(i)	[30]
	(p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); Fleet; Embolden ; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)
Troops: Guardian Squad (11#, 135 Pts)
Guardian Squad	1	Grp: Troops										135
	(p.39 & p.64 Eldar); Fleet
G Defender Squad	10	-	3	3	3	3	1	4	1	8	5+	[105]
	Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x10); Add Weapon Platform
Weapon Platform	1	Grp: -										[25]
	Starcannon (StrCan)
Warlock	1	-	4	4	3	3	1	4	1/2	8	-/4(i)	[30]
	(p.27-28 & p.60 Eldar); Fleet; Embolden ; Psyker; Rune Armour (RAmr); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Witchblade (WB)
Fast Attack: Vyper Squadron (2#, 200 Pts)
Vyper Squadron	1	Grp: Fast										200
	(p.41 & p.65 Eldar), Fast; Skimmer; Open-topped
Vyper	1	Grp: - BS: 3 FA: 10 SA: 10 RA: 10										[100]
	Star Engines (SE); Bright Lance (BL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan)
Vyper	1	Grp: - BS: 3 FA: 10 SA: 10 RA: 10										[100]
	Star Engines (SE); Bright Lance (BL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan)
Fast Attack: Shining Spears (5#, 187 Pts)
Shining Spears	4	Fast	4	4	3/6	3/4	1	5	1	9	3+	187
	(p.37 & p.65 Eldar) ; Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4)
Shining Spears Exarch	1	-	5	5	3/6	3/4	1	6	2	9	3+	[47]
	Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
Fast Attack: Shining Spears (5#, 187 Pts)
Shining Spears	4	Fast	4	4	3/6	3/4	1	5	1	9	3+	187
	(p.37 & p.65 Eldar) ; Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4)
Shining Spears Exarch	1	-	5	5	3/6	3/4	1	6	2	9	3+	[47]
	Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x1)
Heavy Support: Wraithlord (1#, 120 Pts)
Wraithlord	1	Heavy	4	4	10	8	3	4	2	10	3+	120
	(p.47 & p.66 Eldar),; Unit Type: Monstrous Creature; Fearless; WraithSight; Shuriken Catapult (SCat) (x2); Wraithsword (Ws); Scatter Laser (SctL)
Heavy Support: Falcon (1#, 180 Pts)
Falcon	1	Grp: Heavy BS: 3 FA: 12 SA: 12 RA: 10										180
	(p.42 & p.67 Eldar) Skimmer; Tank; Fast, Transport 6 models.; Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Bright Lance (BL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat); Pulse Laser (PL)
Heavy Support: Falcon (1#, 180 Pts)
Falcon	1	Grp: Heavy BS: 3 FA: 12 SA: 12 RA: 10										180
	(p.42 & p.67 Eldar) Skimmer; Tank; Fast, Transport 6 models.; Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Bright Lance (BL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat); Pulse Laser (PL)
Total Cost:												1994

On the Falcons, With the BL and PL you only get to fire one at a time per turn.

Change the BL for a SC and you can fire both.

2000 Pts - Eldar Roster - Wolfhound-HitnRun

Heavy Support: Wraithlord (1#, 140 Pts)
   1 Wraithlord @ 140 Pts
      Unit Type: Monstrous Creature; Fearless; WraithSight; Flamer (x2); Wraithsword (Ws); Bright Lance (BL)

Heavy Support: Falcon (1#, 210 Pts)
   1 Falcon @ 210 Pts
      Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Star Engines (SE); Starcannon (StrCan); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); Pulse Laser (PL)

Heavy Support: Falcon (1#, 210 Pts)
   1 Falcon @ 210 Pts
      Holo-Field (Vehicle) (H-F); Spirit Stone (V:SpStn); Star Engines (SE); Starcannon (StrCan); Shuriken Cannon (SCan); Pulse Laser (PL)

Fast Attack: Shining Spears (5#, 227 Pts)
   4 Shining Spears @ 227 Pts
      Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4)
      1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [87] Pts
         Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; WithDraw; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1)

Fast Attack: Shining Spears (5#, 227 Pts)
   4 Shining Spears @ 227 Pts
      Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); TL Shuriken Catapult (TL-Scat) (x4)
      1 Shining Spears Exarch @ [87] Pts
         Unit Type: Jetbike Infantry; Turbo-boosters; WithDraw; Eldar Jetbike (EJB); Laser Lance (LL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan) (x1)

Fast Attack: Vyper Squadron (3#, 255 Pts)
   1 Vyper Squadron @ 255 Pts
      1 Vyper @ [85] Pts
         Bright Lance (BL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan)
      1 Vyper @ [85] Pts
         Bright Lance (BL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan)
      1 Vyper @ [85] Pts
         Bright Lance (BL); Shuriken Cannon (SCan)

Elite: Harlequin Troupe (6#, 162 Pts)
   5 Harlequin Troupe @ 162 Pts
      Dance of Death (DofD); Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run; Holo-Suit (H-S); Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss) (x5); Shuriken Pistol (x5); Hallucinogen Grenades
      1 Harle Shadow Seer @ [52] Pts
         Dance of Death (DofD); Fleet; Flip Belts; Furious Charge; Hit & Run;  Veil Of Tears ; Holo-Suit (H-S); Psyker; Harlequins Kiss (Hkiss); Shuriken Pistol (Sp); Hallucinogen Grenades

Elite: Howling Banshees (6#, 123 Pts)
   5 Howling Banshees @ 123 Pts
      Fleet; Banshee Mask (BM); Power Weapon; Shuriken Pistol (Sp)
      1 Howling Banshee Exarch @ [43] Pts
         Fleet;  War Shout  (WS); Banshee Mask (BM); Mirrorswords (Ms)
         1 EP War Shout @ [0] Pts

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (6#, 144 Pts)
   6 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 144 Pts
      Fleet; Infiltrate; Pathfinders; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x6); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

Troops: Pathfinders (Rangers) (6#, 144 Pts)
   6 Pathfinders (Rangers) @ 144 Pts
      Fleet; Infiltrate; Pathfinders; Ignore Difficult Terrain; Pathfinder Stealth; Scouts; Shuriken Pistol (Sp) (x6); Ranger Long Rifle (RLRifle)

HQ: Avatar (1#, 155 Pts)
   1 Avatar @ 155 Pts
      Unit Type: Monstrous Creature; Deamon; Fearless; Inspiring; Molten Body; Wailing Doom (WD)

Total Roster Cost: 1997

If you don't have a Farseer casting Doom, then I think the Banshee's might be much less effective.  They are a unit that HAS to wound since they can't take a counterpunch very well. 

 I'd consider having one large melee unit, rather than two small ones.  Granted, Harlies have Veil, so that will will improve your survivability, but I'm usually lucky to get 5 assault marines into combat from a squad of 11...(Chappy plus 10) 

One assault canon would take down your entire Vyper squadron because of how the vehicle squadron rules work.  I'd only run one. 

 

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Beating up on Eldar since 1995.

The Vypers are iffy. I would rather have 2 sepparate units but ran out of slots.

 

I just realized, you have essentially a melee eldar list.  4 small CC squads and a WL supported by shooty.  My main concern is scoring units.  every squad is 3 deaths away from irrelevance.  You either need bigger units or cheap scoring units that you hide away and then use to contest areas.  Skimmers don't do that in Cityfight, but they do in most regular missions.

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Beating up on Eldar since 1995.

I agree with RF, you need a larger CC squad.  Having 8 - 10 Banshees is much better because your Initiative + Power Weapons need to remove enough of the enemy so they can't hit back effectively.  You also need to survive the counter attack.  Doing the averages against MEQ: 7 Banshees + Exarch on the charge = 25 Attacks.  WS 4 vs. 4 = 12 - 13 hits.  S3 vs. T4 is 6 - 7 wounds with no armor saves.  If this squad supports the Avatar or WL, then you can pit them (or the exarch) against any characters in the ememy squad.  Each Banshee you add to the squad will give you almost 1 additional kill on the charge on average.  I think 8 total should be the lowest number in the squad.  I think I'd prefer 9 + Exarch.

Ok lets see, deffinalty going CC with this one it seems .

I removed 2 Vypers and increased the BSs to a 10 man uint. And the HQs to a 8 man unit. the Pathfinders are now also 7 men units.